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Petition To Change Back To Pre-Covid Walk-in Permit System

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Re: Petition To Change Back To Pre-Covid Walk-in Permit Syst

Postby balzaccom » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:53 pm

I understand there are different kinds of rangers. My dad was a naturalist. One of my best friends just changed positions, from being a wilderness ranger to a desk job. He's not happy about the change in his lifestyle, but he likes the longer potential career path available to him now. And he's of an age where that matters.

It sounds to me like your real beef is not with REI, or volunteers, or the Yosemite Conservancy or me. It sounds to me like your beef is with the fact that the National Park Service has been chronically underfunded for years now--and that has made it lean on all sorts of different ways to make up for that fact they they don't have enough money to pay professionals to do all the work that needs to be done.

And you won't get any argument from me about that.

The solution is more funding, clearly. And the good news is that the Biden infrastructure plan he just introduced includes a nice chunk of change for the parks.

let's hope it gets passed.
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Re: Petition To Change Back To Pre-Covid Walk-in Permit Syst

Postby snowcreek » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:58 pm

I consider the NPS to be a criminal organization. The amount of nepotism, cronyism, and downright corruption is why it is ranked near the bottem in terms of workplace satisfaction for federal jobs. The NPS gets pleny of funding- but a majority of it is wasted in a variety of ways. I wont get into the politics side of the debate on funding but I will say that if they are not opened back up with the old system of entry their will be not Parks system in a few years. the NPS is reliant on massive visitation and the empty parks are bankrupting the NPS. Actually I will say something about the politics- stop adding more "monuments' to the parks when the parks were not getting any additional funding. And they can stop the gender bending, diversity nonsense as well. That all wastes a ton of money.
And I hate to be a stickler- but a naturalist is not a "ranger". Its not an insult- a naturalist is a higher vocation than any ranger job.
I was not a ranger either- I was a trail worker.
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Re: Petition To Change Back To Pre-Covid Walk-in Permit Syst

Postby AlmostThere » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:03 am

Dude, this thread was about the NATIONAL FOREST permitting. The petition is addressed to Randy Moore who is a NATIONAL FOREST admin, has nothing to do with NPS.

And the petition is beside the point anyway - Sierra National Forest was planning to put reservations online well before the pandemic. After the pandemic, walk ins will likely be as they were already in Inyo - fully walk in, not online. The reservations will stay online. And that's fine. It worked great for Inyo for years. Yosemite will probably end up on recreation.gov as well, and walk ins will probably go back to in person as well.

All the reservation systems have been changing and evolving, because they're trying to be responsive to public health issues. The entry reservation system for Yosemite has changed yet again. It's the way it's going to be until public health agencies give the green light to stop. That's how bureaucracy adapts. Not sure why anyone expects otherwise.
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Re: Petition To Change Back To Pre-Covid Walk-in Permit Syst

Postby snowcreek » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:14 pm

You should not need a computer to get into a National park, or National forest or any public lands for that matter. If its not open to everyone- including those without computers- then these lands should not be open to anyone.
I put a ridiculous amount of effort in making the parks a better place for all people- regardless.
Any restrictions to entry is going against the spirit of our pubic lands.
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Re: Petition To Change Back To Pre-Covid Walk-in Permit Syst

Postby IraneRyan » Fri May 14, 2021 5:19 am

snowcreek wrote:You dont seem to understand- there are LEO rangers, Interp rangers, backcountry rangers, climbing rangers, permit rangers, in-office rangers with time tracking software etc etc etc..
Their is no one term. I have no clue what your father did. At one time there was a "ranger." but not anymore
And my beef is with the idea that NPS trail work is some how reliant on volunteers or not for profits- its not
The govt would do better to step away from these programs. The only one I kind of support is the CCC because its largely for troubled youth who need the sobriety and work experience. Thats a payoff in the longrun for society. But I do not support the not for profits continous demand for shares of money while they continue to steal jobs and and resources from the NPS. they work to put the very people they claim to support out of work. And the public gets a poor return on their investment in regards to the quality of work done. Cant tell you how many times we had to work to fix what the not for profits messed up

That's all right. A variety of park personnel is essential to cover all the needs of the site and visitors.
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