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Justin-T wrote:I don't have enough experience to suggest an itinerary, but wanted to make sure you are aware of the wilderness permit you'll need, a sizable chuck of which go on a first-come first-serve basis for each day, 24 weeks (168 days) ahead of your start date. So, for trips starting Jul 1 you need to be submitting your application tomorrow. Some permits are kept back as walk-ons for the day ahead, but they make long-term planning trickier. Some routes go faster than others. Details here:
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wpres.htm
I've done almost all the second suggestion Phil made, great route, if you can somehow squeeze in Clouds Rest you won't regret it, although its much harder to do that in the direction he suggests.
AlmostThere wrote:Anything with a high pass will be challenging. 160% of normal snowpack and still snowing. You may find that (depending on the progression of snowmelt) that you hit the high country in the thick of the mosquito hatch in July. You might find yourself postholing and glissading.
rbm wrote:AlmostThere wrote:Anything with a high pass will be challenging. 160% of normal snowpack and still snowing. You may find that (depending on the progression of snowmelt) that you hit the high country in the thick of the mosquito hatch in July. You might find yourself postholing and glissading.
Hmm. So do you think it'll be feasible to bag Tuolumne Peak or Vogelsang?
Phil wrote:"Challenge" is a very relative term. And so is "off the beaten path". Ability? Experience? Average daily mileage at altitude? Visual preferences?
These two are to start, slightly off the beaten path, but not way out there, crowds not too bad, definitely challenging in terms of getting climbs out of your system, beautiful areas...
AlmostThere wrote:rbm wrote:AlmostThere wrote:Anything with a high pass will be challenging. 160% of normal snowpack and still snowing. You may find that (depending on the progression of snowmelt) that you hit the high country in the thick of the mosquito hatch in July. You might find yourself postholing and glissading.
Hmm. So do you think it'll be feasible to bag Tuolumne Peak or Vogelsang?
how much snow/ice experience do you have?
Dave_Ayers wrote:I climbed Tuolumne and Hoffman the first week of July in '14. No snow at all - but that was a dry year. Permits for a trip starting from White Wolf and going past Ten Lakes, T-Peak, and May Lake are usually easy to get via walk in, except perhaps the weekend before July 4th. So if you get some other permit now you'll be able to make a later switch once the conditions are well known.
I'm still not clear what is challenging for you. WW to Highway 120 past May Lake is ~40 miles. If you are a 20 mile per day with serious elevation kinda person, you could continue across highway 120 (don't need another permit) and head up the Sunrise trail to climb Cloud's Rest too. Or even continue to Half Dome (does need a separate permit) and down to Happy Isles. Then catch the YARTS bus back to WW. Or stay high and climb Cloud's Rest and head out via the Cathedral Lakes trail to Tuolumne Meadows to catch the bus or hitch back to WW.
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